tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post990689140902507746..comments2023-10-30T05:00:03.572-05:00Comments on Eli's MLB Rumors - Old: Is Mark McGwire A Hall of Famer?Elihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04463365662085467794noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-37439676244291629592008-01-03T11:11:00.000-06:002008-01-03T11:11:00.000-06:00Still though. If Big-Mac didn't go over 500 dinger...Still though. If Big-Mac didn't go over 500 dinger he would be a very very borderline case. while i agree he still would have been a good player without the juice. but would he have hit 500+ dinger? really? <BR/><BR/>Bonds and Clemens are different cases. both would be in based on their Pirate / Red Sox days anyway . Bonds happen to be the most dangerous hitter... EVER! ALL TIME! even without the juice he'd be top 5 all time EASILY. it's not really even close. he's OPS+ is equal to the Babe for crying out loud AND he was a far bigger base stealing threat AND before old age settled in he was a great defender. Big-Mac simply isn't anywhere near that level of destruction. espically if he didn't have those couple of outlier years.<BR/><BR/>I would think that Mac's case is pretty risky at this point, if he gets in it would be late ballot. he's CERTAINLY not getting in within 5 year.<BR/><BR/>---------------------------------<BR/>I'm not sure about the Hawk, because i'm not old enough to seriously remember him. statistically he hung around long enough with enough overall stats to be worth considering, espically given that he was a GREAT defender. with a borderline offensive case i think he's a reasonable pick .. but the problem is there's clearly more reasonable picks both now and most likley in the future.<BR/><BR/>This year is a VERY weak class where the only new inductee that should have a case at all is Raines. and even here Dawson might not get in seriously damn his case.<BR/><BR/>Most stats oriented guys will vote Raines / Blyleven, and Gossage is a shoe in now. there's only really 1 more spot open. and really is Dawson's case that much better than Mac / Rice / Murphy ?<BR/><BR/>Jack Morris is another guy that i'm not sure about. is one great playoff performance + a pretty good overall win total enough to put a guy in? if that's the case why not vote Tommy John in too?RollingWavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17163788163041192632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-14108286428015649672008-01-02T22:52:00.000-06:002008-01-02T22:52:00.000-06:00Steroids WERE illegal when McGwire was allegedly u...Steroids WERE illegal when McGwire was allegedly using them and they WERE against the rules of Major League Baseball, according to a memo then-commisioner Fay Vincent sent out in 1991 which warned clubs to watch for signs of their use. Punishing steroid users for cheating is perfectly appropriate, regardless of how many players were using and regardless of the results obtained.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-87381900529301838962007-12-30T11:50:00.000-06:002007-12-30T11:50:00.000-06:00I don't think we should determine McGwire's HOF el...I don't think we should determine McGwire's HOF eligibility based on the steroid issue. Yes he got caught, but there's a lot of guys out there who did use but weren't caught. Don't punish McGwire for being a stupider cheater than other players. In this era, we can't ever really know who used what (thanks a lot, Mitchell Report). I think, much like the early years of MLB were known as the dead ball era, we need to recognize this era as the Steroid Era, with all of the implications and doubts that signifies, and then move on and evaluate players based on statistics, and not on suspiscion. <BR/><BR/>So, is Mark worthy? 583 homers is a big number, but those other stats are kinda unimpressive. Personally, I say yes. That '98 homerun chase revitalized the game, and you could say that, in a lot of ways, McGwire has done more for the game of baseball than most players...He was a fearsome power hitter, a game changing force, and punishing him for something that most hitters of his day did is an unfair standard to hold him to. Lets acknowledge this black eye on baseball's history, but we need to stay focused on who were the great players of their day, in that day's context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-86245435560129541322007-12-30T10:01:00.000-06:002007-12-30T10:01:00.000-06:00Hopefully Harold Baines will gain momentum this ye...Hopefully Harold Baines will gain momentum this year.Steve Giermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291911419511893670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-88159013415992369502007-12-30T09:45:00.000-06:002007-12-30T09:45:00.000-06:00Yes, he deserves the honor but he will not make it...Yes, he deserves the honor but he will not make it... not for another few years at least. Some of the voters are hypocritical ... praising his exploits as they were happening and now condemning the man on shoddy evidence.... such self righteousness is ludicrous at best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-83197260619186318392007-12-29T19:40:00.000-06:002007-12-29T19:40:00.000-06:00Bucky, for ever Jason Giambi, McGwire, Tejada, and...Bucky, for ever Jason Giambi, McGwire, Tejada, and Canseco, I will name Jeremy Giambi, Phil Hiatt, Tim Laker, and Geromino Berrora. Players that had been linked to steroids, but never had success. It STILL takes talented hitters to hit home runs, not steroids.KevinGillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15307277576015487299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-66432499629448153782007-12-29T18:43:00.000-06:002007-12-29T18:43:00.000-06:00MARK should not because he just has HOF #S and wit...MARK should not because he just has HOF #S and with the roids i dont think he would have been near the HOF without them and<BR/><BR/><BR/>i know that GOOSE will get in this year and should have been in a long time agoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-14874073058746799022007-12-29T18:31:00.000-06:002007-12-29T18:31:00.000-06:00whether we like it or not, he should be in the hal...whether we like it or not, he should be in the hall of fame. he put up impressive numbers with/without steroids. Since MLB was lean on cracking down on steroids, we have to assume everyone was using them. So every person, including Bonds and Clemens should be hall of fame worthy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-75788006126516547982007-12-29T17:48:00.000-06:002007-12-29T17:48:00.000-06:00Hey very cool site, maybe we could work on somethi...Hey very cool site, maybe we could work on something to promote each other..<BR/>You can watch the Patriots play tonight or the UFC match on mine<BR/>http://mysportpicks.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>thanks kennyoKennyohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10394521024945057166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-27996535663774170472007-12-29T17:35:00.000-06:002007-12-29T17:35:00.000-06:00If there is to be a steriod wing in the HOF, then ...If there is to be a steriod wing in the HOF, then it only makes sense to have the top dog in it. How do you think Giambi and Tejada did. It all comes back to Canseco and Mcgwire. If Mcgwire doesnt get in either should Bonds or Clemens, you cant pick its all or nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-90088056292931106782007-12-29T17:18:00.000-06:002007-12-29T17:18:00.000-06:00in terms of steroids, numbers are still numbers. ...in terms of steroids, numbers are still numbers. You cannot automatically hit 50 HR's because you're on the juice. If that's the case then guys like Jeremy Giambi, Fernando Vina, and the legend of all legends, Phil Hyatt can hit 50 HR's. Is it bad? Yes, but let's not discount that players in the 70's, 80's, heck even the 60's used whatever they could to gain any advantages. There was a book called "The Umpire Strikes Back" that was very controversial back in the early 80's where this guy, a former Major League pitcher had talked about drug usage in the 60's. Are we all to assume that steroids started in 1988 because Jose Canseco found a needle to use on someone? I say to any voter that votes to use common sense, and don't use this on a grudge against players like Mark McGwire and Roger Clemens because they may or may not have used. So have alot of the other players back in the day, but numbers are still numbers.KevinGillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15307277576015487299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-88236297595485415302007-12-29T14:09:00.000-06:002007-12-29T14:09:00.000-06:00Not a chance. Without roids he was good not great...Not a chance. Without roids he was good not great. His greatest achievements are tainted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-66882896801374121572007-12-29T14:03:00.000-06:002007-12-29T14:03:00.000-06:00No chance. Without roids he was good not great. ...No chance. Without roids he was good not great. His greatest achievements are taintedEdOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07955579665524425544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-75148475970861189402007-12-29T13:33:00.000-06:002007-12-29T13:33:00.000-06:00On Dawson. Good read.http://www.firejoemorgan.com...On Dawson. Good read.<BR/><BR/>http://www.firejoemorgan.com/search/label/andre%20dawsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-53116118507661509312007-12-29T13:31:00.000-06:002007-12-29T13:31:00.000-06:00Your Dawson qualifications:.279 average - a very a...Your Dawson qualifications:<BR/><BR/>.279 average - a very average average for a prospective HOF. <BR/><BR/>438 homeruns - nice total (32nd all-time) but compiled over 21 seasons. Over 30 only three times.<BR/><BR/>2,774 hits - never had 200 hits (and never really close). Again, 21 seasons by default would get a very good player this hit total.<BR/><BR/>eight-time All-Star - absolutely, completely and utterly irrelevant in the discussion. The process of voting is patently ridiculous and, in Dawson's case especially, heavily influenced by WGN's national broadcast of the Cubs in the late 80s and early 90s, before ESPN and Directv became a player.<BR/><BR/>ROY - Walt Weiss won the award.<BR/><BR/>MVP - the most contentious awarding in the last 30 years. He had a phenomenal year but the Cubs were 73-88 that year, good for last place. How is a player 'the most valuable' to a club finishing last relative to the rest of the league.<BR/><BR/>Fan favorite - um, what? How is this relevant?<BR/><BR/>Quotes - represents Dawson as a good guy and not juiced. Again, a bit irrelevant.<BR/><BR/>Roger Maris comparison - his election to the Hall was marginal at best, but that doesn't necessarily mean Dawson should get in. It's bad logic.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I grew up around Chicago and watched Dawson play every day. He was a very good player, the best on the field at times, but he wasn't a great player relative to his era and relative to the history of baseball. <BR/><BR/>In many ways, his discussion as a potential HOF is a product of one great year ('87), the year that has become known as the juiced ball year (check out Wade Boggs' statistics, among others).<BR/><BR/>It's tough not to like Dawson as a player. He's just not a HOF player.<BR/><BR/>Like the site. Keep goin'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37446836.post-78984801565460955022007-12-29T12:33:00.000-06:002007-12-29T12:33:00.000-06:00Clemens only a .500 pitcher before his time with t...Clemens only a .500 pitcher before his time with the Blue Jays? Um you might wanna check those stats again. Clemens had 3 20-win seasons with the Red sox, including his 1990 season when he went 21-6 with a 1.93 era. He also had 3 more seasons with 18 wins. So please get your facts straight before you go bashing Roger Clemens. He had 3 Cy Youngs BEFORE the steroids, and if he did indeed take steroids, all he did was help him to continue to pitch in old age. Remember, its performance-ENCHACING, not performance-CREATING.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com